From Wikigogy

Grant has withdrawn this proposal

Contents 1 Proposal withdrawn 2 Proposal 3 Questions 3.1 AI 3.2 Curriculum and CALL system 3.3 Sites Grant Keinzley manages 3.4 Team of programmers 3.5 Wiki experience 3.6 Jumping in 4 Discussion 5 Vote

Proposal withdrawn

My (Grant Keinzley's) proposal to continue on from Roger has been withdrawn. Reason's as stated at the foot of this article.

I will make no other attempt at proposing to admin Wikigogy. So thankyou again for the time spent and the lessons learned. I thank all that were involved in this proposal for tolerating my one hundred and one questions.

Grant K. CEO of Superstorms International.

Proposal

Main point of this proposal:

I would like to ask the present administrators of Wikigogy if I may have permission to take over the management of this wiki and website.

Introduction: Hi, I am Grant Keinzley. I am a New Zealander and have been teaching in China for over 6 years at point of writing.

Background;

In the 1980's I developed true AI software, not to be mistaken with game AI scripting. Early 2000 I developed an all encompassing curriculum that included a CALL system based upon the Berkely model of that time for a university in China. Today I have near finished developing a 3d online learning center.

My interest in Wikigogy;

Purely out of love for the teaching profession and all that is contained within, I would like to see Wikigogy continue and grow.

My plans for Wikigogy should I be allowed to administer the site;

Listed and then discussed.

1/ Advertise Wikigogy extensively to gain a wider audience of teachers. 2/ Put into place more spam protection agencies. 3/ Add new attributes to Wikigogy. 4/ Encourage Wikigogy's community to develop the site further.

Discussion of points;

Advertising: I manage many sites of all types around the mighty www. It would cost me little or nothing to post Wikigogy advertisements in appropriate places in order to attract a greater language teacher audience.

Anti-spamming: Spam is a great problem for website administrators. Because I have a team of programmers at hand, I am able to assign the task of spam protection and spam remedies to my team for problem solving, remedying, and spam software development, for the smoother maintaining of the Wikigogy website.

New Attributes: As forementioned I have near finished developing a 3d online language center. The purpose of this facility is to give teachers another avenue for language teaching by creating an online environment that a teacher simply logs into via an internet terminal and can conduct an online class with relative ease. I would give the members of Wikigogy exclusive entry to this facility should they hence choose to use it.

Community Development: All wiki's depend on their user-base and knowledge-base to be successful. Wikigogy is one such example. It is the most important goal for the admin of a wiki to have the community actively involved in the wiki's development. I cannot force people to contribute, as such is against the nature of knowledge sharing. However I have a base of foreign teachers at my disposal that I would encourage to contribute and thus giving Wikigogy that new breath of creativity. I would hope that this would be enough to spur on the present members of Wikigogy to partake in the knowledge sharing experience also. See link reference below regarding what is a wiki.

Summary:

I am an experienced admin, I have a team of programmers, and I have much experience in developing teaching materials and software for the one purpose of teaching second / foreign languages.

Proposal: I ask that I be allowed to take over Wikigogy as if it were my own child, and nurture it in the same manner. I don't promise the heaven's in a single afternoon, and nor would I, yet I can promise that with time and a community to support the end goal, success comes because of the common ground that we all share.

We are teachers, and we do have something to share. Thanks to Roger Wikigogy is a place where that can all happen.

I would like to see it happen and would like to offer my services for that main goal.

Quote: "Wiki is unusual among group communication mechanisms in that it allows the organization of contributions to be edited in addition to the content itself.

Like many simple concepts, "open editing" has some profound and subtle effects on Wiki usage. Allowing everyday users to create and edit any page in a Web site is exciting in that it encourages democratic use of the Web and promotes content composition by nontechnical users."

Reference: http://www.wiki.org/wiki.cgi?WhatIsWiki

Grant Keinzley.

--NiHao 05:05, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

Questions

Please sign all discussion entries with "--~~~~". This renders your username (linked to your user page) and a time stamp.

Grant, thank you for writing this proposal! I need to establish trust in you now. To that end, please answer some questions.

AI

Grant, please explain and reference your claim (in Background section of your proposal) to have developed true AI in 1980s. --Roger 01:30, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

Ahh....haha thats a biggy. 1980-1983 I developed a home intergrated computer system. It was a voice activated system, programmed with the entire oxford dictionary and all of the english grammar, could converse without scripting, and run the house electrics by command. Built on a modified **name removed** As for references; apologies as it was but a young developer's project in a day when New Zealand did not have the internet to discuss my successes. For a detailed description of my AI project **link removed**--NiHao 02:57, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

Curriculum and CALL system

Grant, please explain and reference your claim (in Background section of your proposal) that in "Early 2000 I developed an all encompassing curriculum that included a CALL system based upon the Berkely model of that time for a university in China." Ie, please explain and reference (a) the curriculum you developed, (b) the CALL system you developed, (c) Berkely model, and (d) name that university and department in China and provide contact info to an official in that same department at that university who will vouch for your character and accomplishments. --Roger 01:30, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

The curriculum I developed was for **name removed** It included; Speech analysis software. FTP homework sending software. Homework text editor. Teacher's exam marking software. Teacher's homework marking software. Classroom seating organization.

Adopting **name removed** as a source book for teaching. The CALL system was as listed above; a complete computer system to aide in students homework production, and to assist teachers in the marking of students exams and assignments. The bigger part of the CALL system was the Speech Analysis system. Programmed in **name removed** the students would talk to the computer and carrying over my old AI program, the computer would audibly reply correcting the student's pronunciation, accents, and grammar. The **name removed** I mentioned was not the pure **name removed** model of that day but a compilation effort attained from: **name removed** From where many leading CALL system developers post articles regarding CALL development. One such article and one I relied on heavilly was: **link removed**

Reference

Removed for protection of privacy.

--NiHao 04:23, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

Sites Grant Keinzley manages

Grant, in your proposal's Advertising section you write, "I manage many sites of all types around the mighty www. It would cost me little or nothing to post Wikigogy advertisements in appropriate places in order to attract a greater language teacher audience." Please list the Home page URLs for all websites you manage so that we may glean an idea of your site management competence, style and reach. --Roger 01:30, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

Wow...another biggy. Sites directly at my fingertips include: (listed and described)

• Superstorms Org **link removed**. Of which I am the CEO. Superstorms is a China based international typhoon / hurricane rescue organization. From the Superstorms site there are 4 and more other websites that I own and manage linking out. Sites include IGH, GH, Typhoon Girl, and more.
• NiHao3d **link removed**. My 3d game / trade / learning facility. From NiHao3d there are again 4 or more of my sites' linkouts. The NiHao3d Wiki, NiHao3d Foreign Trade website, the NiHao3d Shop, the NiHao3d School of Languages, and more.
• Postercars.com **link removed** Also hosted on my servers. Postercars is a friends website. Terry its owner is from England and is also a foreign teacher based in China for over 5 years now.
• Disaster Storm Warning Reporting; I maintain a weather reporting channel on Weather Underground **link removed** for all of China.

This list is a short list of my personal sites and sites on my servers. It should prove adecqute for this presentation.

One can gather from the way I group my sites around other sites I control, that I like to form families of sites. This presumed idea originates with the webrings concept of olde. Where one site generates hits so too the others have a chance of being seen also.

With modern internet marketing strategies, this form of linking is more common than paid advertising.

--NiHao 04:37, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

Team of programmers

Grant, in your proposal's Anti-spamming section you mention a team of programmers you have at hand to help system administrate Wikigogy. Please name these programmers, explain their relationship with you, their availability to work on Wikigogy.org system administration and their relevant qualifications. --Roger 01:30, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

I am the head of my team of 6 people. In this understanding of "my team" I am referring only to my NiHao3d Development Team. All of the NiHao3d Dev Team are available to work on Wikigogy within our daily schedules. Link to the team members page on the NiHao Studios website: **link removed**

• Me; as mentioned, I specialize in AI and CALL systems, but am also the 3d developer for my other project. I majored in Art and achieved the title of international artist before coming to China.
• See #Jumping in at the bottom of this entry. The Author of Jump In is my partner in it all and recommended Wikigogy to me. Pashley "Sandy" is an expert Linux and firewall programmer and developer. We have been together in China for over 5 years and have worked together on many computer projects. Experience...oh man...if its linux he's up there somewhere lol. Joking aside Sandy is very good at what he does.
• Tony, my younger brother...known each other...ummm...mum's secret. Tony mans the education side of all we do. He is presently setting up our first physical school in Quanzhou City China, to run in conjunction with the 3d school project. Tony is an experienced teacher and majored in International Trade.
• Jon (USA) an experienced coder, and once pro online gamer. Jon writes patches for our software projects and is a project problem solver. Jon's major is Businesss Management.
• Matthew (China) Matthew is our legal guy. Matt handles paperwork, licenses, visas, and owns a foreign trade company in China. He also helps with the translation of our forums into Chinese. Matthew has no major but rather was bought up in his family's business of which he presently owns.
• Irene (China) Translation. Irene handles all of our Chinese to English and back again translations. Irene is now doing her Masters in translation covering the three languages; English, Chinese, and Japanese.

These people represent the main body of my team....there are alot more. At hand I manage over 300 people in China, all of which are belonging to the different enterprises, businesses, and projects that I run.

--NiHao 04:53, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

Wiki experience

Grant, your proposal's Quote section is inspirational. What is your experience with wikis? Please provide links to your user pages on wikis you have contributed to so that we can glean something of your community participation style and experience. Yes, we want to know you! --Roger 01:30, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

Speaking of wiki's of this type, Wikigogy; to be quite honest I have little experience of working within these scripts. Although I am however an avid reader of these types of wiki's and am very familiar with the use of. My own wiki; that is to say, the wiki I run for the NiHao3d project, is too a wiki but of a different nature that aims to achieve the same. **link removed**::That wiki is broken. My trust sinks. --Roger 16:29, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

Yes, as I understand it, the wiki server appeared to be undergoing maintanance last night and I have written the server admins about that; yet that did not stop the spamming at all last night :) The wiki, my wiki, in question is not on my servers, and runs in the same vane as Wordpress and is hosted privately and collectively. As a final note; as I mentioned earlier it is different than this type of wiki, in fact its a very modern attempt of wiki colloboration. Hence it is still in Beta testing. I was very happy to be invited to join the **name removed** team in this colloboration so I do expect a bad run of it from time to time. Technology Sciences are never exact sciences, as any Windows user will humbly admit :) --NiHao 23:00, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

I solely maintain this wiki in line with the events, news, and history of the NiHao3d project, for it is a developers wiki for the most part. So to show my experience, or at least my team's experience with wiki's of this type I will need to hand you over to my fellow NiHao Studios team member and friend Sandy, or better known here as Pashley.

Leaping and.....

--NiHao 08:16, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

Jumping in

I'm a fairly active Wiki player. I'm very active on Wikitravel [1] where I'm an admin. I also edit some at the new encyclopedia site, Citizendium [2] and the Go players' wiki Sensei's Library [3]. I had an account here, didn't do a lot with it.

A group of people, led by Grant and including me, have been working on a 3D virtual world [4] that will include some English teaching. One of the things we'd discussed — but not gotten to; there's a lot else to do — was building a wiki for teaching materials. I'd of course suggested using Wikigogy for that.

So when Roger's mail about Wikigogy folding arrived, I forwarded it to Grant. Pashley 03:07, 15 September 2008 (CDT)

Discussion

I feel there is little more that I can add from this point on, so I welcome the members of Wikigogy to post their questions, remarks, and comments within this the final section of my proposal. Thankyou. --NiHao 08:03, 17 September 2008 (CDT)

Vote

Wikigogy members with usernames created before September 2008 only, please vote! (and sign with --~~~~)

• Against -- I might as well be open about this: I don't trust Grant's web of websites. I am not comfortable passing Wikigogy into that chain of China sites. Grant, Teachmats (http://www.superstorms.org/wwwroot4/featured-article.html) is a respectable effort. Why not buy teachmats.com, .net, and .org (you don't want others poaching those) and put a wiki up there. You are welcome to use all the Wikigogy content (there is little, really) as long as you follow the terms of the Creative Commons By-Attribution Share-Alike license. Or please bring users to Wikigogy.org and enjoy writing English teaching stuff right here. If people use Wikigogy and contribute great English teaching stuff here, I will keep it online. If not, time and tide wait for no man: it will eventually vanish. --Roger 13:14, 18 September 2008 (CDT)

• Thankyou for your reply. In respect to the fact that you own Wikigogy and that you have voted against my proposal; I shall withdraw my proposal effective of this date. Reason: I do business to help people. As present admin Roger, your conclusion determines for me that I am in fact not helping Wikigogy at all with the aforementioned proposal. It is the goal of an admin to determine what is good or not good for his/her users. I feel voting for the cause a complete non-event if the admin in question has already disagreed on the issue. For there is no purpose in continuing my efforts as that would be to concur that I consider your (Roger's) work inadequate; of which I do not. So herein lies the reasoning behind my proposal's withdrawel. Thankyou Roger for the chance to offer my services. --NiHao 21:54, 18 September 2008 (CDT)